Thursday, August 12, 2010

No-Shoe Rules

In response to an article in the New York Times this week about how real-estate brokers are making potential buyers remove their shoes during open houses, many Times commenters defended no-shoe rules. I hate having to remove my shoes at other people's homes, and I didn't think I was in the minority, so I was sort of appalled and surprised by the anti-shoe outcry.

I then discovered an entire blog (Shoes Off at the Door, Please) dedicated to the no-shoe rule. In fact, a Google search about the rule yielded many blogs, threads, and other commentaries from people who make their guests remove their shoes at the door.

Is this annoying habit becoming a city-wide trend? Brian at Gawker had a rant about it earlier this year, and then there was an article in the Huffington Post, and now this piece in the Times. I think it's officially a new trend.



I suspect that this is yet another California thing that has overtaken New York.

It made me think of the "Porno Gil" episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry refuses to remove his shoes at a dinner party. He won't take off his shoes, and in the end, he's screamed at by the enraged hostess: "When you walk through my door you play by my rules! You take off your fucking shoes!"

Apartment Therapy in LA polled their readers a couple of years ago and found that the majority of responders make their guests remove their shoes. So maybe it is a California thing.

Californians definitely have a problem with shoes, in general. In high school, the girl who sat behind me in History class was from California. She put her bare feet all over my chair, and would often walk around school without shoes. Out there, they have a thing about sunshine and grass and being "comfortable."


Anti-shoe rage

But it's not just about California. That Google search I did on the no-shoe rule revealed more about who is enforcing it. Here are the primary suspects:

Moms
"Green" people
Germaphobes
People from Ohio
House fetishists
People who prioritize feeling "cozy"
White-carpet lovers
People who grew up with "mud rooms"
Japanese people (they're excused, it's legitimately cultural)

The germ excuse is a myth. MSNBC interviewed an infectious disease expert on the topic, who said, “If you want to prepare your cheeseboard on the bottom of someone’s shoe and eat it without sterilizing it, you could get yourself infected, but in ordinary life, shoes are not a known risk for infection."

Shaking hands and kissing your guests hello is worse.
Said the expert, "Your body has more microbial cells than human cells. You’re more germ than you are you."



So, really, isn't it all about control? Above all, people want to have things the way they want them. Larry David's no-shoe fascist said it clearly: "When you walk through my door you play by my rules!"

In which case, it's time to fight against the no-shoe trend. Become what the no-shoe blogger calls a refusenik.

Don't take off your shoes in other people's apartments (unless they are Japanese, and spending a few weeks on vacation in Japan doesn't count). Don't slip hospital booties over your shoes, either, as many suggest. And don't swap your shoes for the creepy crocheted slippers these people keep in a basket by the door for guests.

Just say no to the no-shoe rule!

26 comments:

  1. " the creepy crocheted slippers these people keep in a basket by the door for guests."

    Ha! I hate those things!

    I was at a party where we all had to leave our shoes in the hallway. Of course, several people had their their shoes stolen.
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  2. i just have this image of spicoli running late to class with a bagel in his shorts, much to the ire of mr. hand.
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  3. I am Japanese (-American) and thus has been practicing the no-shoes thing for my whole life ;)

    However I'm only used to taking off my shoes in my own home and my parents' home, so it's jarring when white folks tell me to take off my shoes in their LES apartment :P

    I can't believe there's a fucking BLOG dedicated to taking off ones' shoes in the home. What is up with folks and wanting to turn everything into a social movement of some sort? It's just FUCKING SHOES. GET OVER IT.
    Also it's really rude to think that someone would actually kick someone out for not taking off their shoes. While that's annoying, it's hardly the end of the world :P

    Also, the comments on that blog are creeping me out, such as this one:
    Bob, this is excellent news about the Venezuelan lady. When she took off her shoes, was she in her bare feet, or did she wear socks/stockings?

    Referring to someone else's comment where they said Latin women don't take off their shoes (?!?!? wtf). I think these people have a bare foot fetish, eww.
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  4. Is this really a Legitimate Problem for some people? I ask this genuinely of both sides. I tend to ask if the host has a preference, to be polite, and usually they're ambivalent. Unless, of course, it's the midst of a Chicago winter, and then you'd have to live in a hovel to be content with people tracking grimy snow and antifreeze pellets into your home. That's just rude. Other than that, I've never seen it as a contentious issue. I suppose that's because I don't mind either way, though.

    I suppose I should mind, having stabbed my foot painfully once already with a shard of glass someone tracked in. Is that supposed to fall under "germs"?

    And, for full disclosure, I was raised by Colorado/Nebraska Midwesterners, one an early transplant from Bolivia, though I grew up in Houston, and the only time I spent in California was when I was born and a few months afterwords.
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  5. I hate removing shoes in the house, though I do have an old pair that I wear around the house. I just don't like going without shoes.

    Then again I'm always vaguely uncomfortable in the summer because I can't wear a jacket.

    www.forgotten-ny.com
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  6. My mother was always obsessive about the carpets, mostly because we lived on the coast and tracking oil/tar in from the beach ruined everything. As a guest, I ask if I need to take my shoes off. As a host, I do not expect visitors to do that, despite my entire home being carpeted in white unicorn fur.

    Solution: we all keep our shoes on and stay outside.
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  7. this expatriate New Yorker living in LA thinks that, at the very least, the basket of shoes you are invited to wear is definitely an LA deal. I've gone to dozens of parties where we were asked to remove our very nice shoes, only to be offered a pair of ratty looking flip flops from a sisal basket. i would usually try to get around it by feigning ignorance of the shoe basket and the mountain of shoes outside the front door. if i were a bitch i would have stolen some of the nicer shoes in said mountain, let me tell you. which was another reason i wasn't going to take mine off.

    i don't know that removal of the shoes is specifically an LA thing, though. some people with new flooring or carpeting just want to keep it clean as long as possible. i think it's more a new homeowner thing than anything else. since i don't have a new home, people can wear their damned shoes all over the place, unless they've just been hiking through the trails in griffith park and they're caked with crap. then the shoes come off, but i mean, to me that's common sense.
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  8. "ratty looking flip flops from a sisal basket." perfect!
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  9. Thankyou very much for posting a link to my blog, 'Shoes Off at the Door, Please.'

    Erika, I find your comment amazing. So are you saying its fine for you and your Japanese parents to keep your home shoe-free, but that is not acceptable for us 'white folks?'
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  10. Not wishing to sully this blog with a blatant SATC reference, but the "shoes off" issue was the subject of an episode of the Sex & The City, in which Carrie reluctantly removes her shoes at a party only to discover they've been stolen (presumably by another guest).

    Getting back to Curb Your Enthusiasm, it seems Larry David's shoes are a running theme of that show: in another episode he loses the same Camper ones at the bowling alley. I saw Mr. David shooting a scene from the new series outside Veniero's a couple of weeks ago, but I was too starstruck to notice what he was wearing on his feet.
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  11. That someone could find enough "material" about shoe removal to fill a blog with regular updates for almost five years is undoubtedly an impressive feat. But if Celestial Fundy ever came knocking at my door asking me to join the Christian Fundamentalists or the Conservative Party I'd immediately ask him to remove his shoes so I could beat him over the head with them.
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  12. I'm with Erika. Why the hell is there an entire blog about this, with no doubt some sort of craven book proposal to follow? In my own experience, it seems like it's not only Japanese but really any Asian household expects you to leave the shoes at the door, and over time I just got in the habit of doing so in my own apartment, though I never asked anyone else to take off shoes. Of course with all the mice and cockroaches in NY apartments it's better just to leave the shoes on actually. I don't see why this would be an LA trend necessarily because its not like they're walking around town all day getting their shoes dirty.
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  13. James, i came upon that SATC reference when i was researching for this post, but i tried to ignore it. hate to think i could side with anything on that show! but it's true.
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  14. Not just Japan, but all of Asia, including China and India. Russia as well. So yeah, more than half the world. Grumble grumble.
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  15. John, I am afraid I have no plans to write a book on the subject. There is an American nurse practitioner by the name of Shirley Saunders, who wrote a short book entitled 'Sole Truth About Those Soles'. It focuses on the health issues related to shoes being worn at home. She does point out that the Environmental Protection Agency among other agencies, recommends shoe-free homes.

    The reason I started my blog was because there are so many good reasons to remove shoes at the door. And also simply because it is a light-hearted subject. There are plenty of blogs dealing with the Iraq War and the death penalty; I thought it would be fun to focus on a more domestic subject.
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  16. Shoes off is pretty much the norm anywhere I've ever lived in Canada, I'm weirded out by people who say "you can keep your shoes on."

    This might be a carryover from the 3-4 months of the year where you wouldn't want people tracking snow/ice into your living room though.
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  17. More annoying, to me, then places that expect you to take your shoes off when entering, are the people who insist on taking their shoes off when at my house.

    A lot of my friends are either of the combat boot or shoes-with-no-socks variety and I'm sorry, I don't want your stinky feet marching around my house.

    Also, on the boot side of things, if it takes you five minutes to take your shoes off and another ten to get them back on, just leave them on when I say 'oh, don't worry about it.'
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  18. @John: I don't agree with the shoes off policy, but I don't agree with you asking why someone would do a blog about this subject. It interests her, so why not? And why would a book proposal about this be "craven?" Why should anyone stop writing about something that they are enthusiastic about? I appreciate her courage to sound off about something that many people hate. There's something punk rock about it. You know, like chewing out a rhythm on your bubblegum.
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  19. 1. Did you consider the East Asian (not just Japanese) custom of not wearing one's shoes inside, while "cultural", is likely born of a love of cleanliness?

    2. You can cite all the studies you want, a quick look at any NYC sidewalk will show all sorts of filth, some of which will be carried by shoes into homes. Maybe some New Yorkers' insistence on wearing their dog urine dipped shoes in theirs and others' homes is sublimated nostalgia for the time when NYC was more "gritty".

    3. If you have foot fungus, take care of it, for God's sake.

    4. Is this city so crime-ridden that people steal shoes? Un-frickin-believable.
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  20. I've never worn shoes inside my home, but wouldn't expect others to do as I do. For me it's a matter of comfort.

    But a "rule" about such a thing is liable to rub me very much the wrong way. And ensure one less visitor to their home.

    But maybe that's the point. If they can't control your behavior they don't want your company.
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  21. I'm late but replying anyway --

    @ Celestial Somethingortheother,
    I'm not saying white folks can't take their shoes off in their home. Where did you get that from? Way to be defensive, jeez.
    I'm just saying it's dumb to have a whole blog pretty much dedicated to whining about how mean/stupid people are for not taking their shoes off in your home. Taking your shoes off is not a social movement, and you're not oppressed because people won't take their shoes off in your home.
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  22. Most feet are unsightly. That's one reason people wear shoes. As far as I am concerned, they should keep them on! This leads me to the flip flop trend of the last several years. Flip flops in NYC? I am sorry, I don't want to see your feet, and your absolute lack of any formality is undesirable.
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  23. I lived & worked in Europe for several years at a multi-national. Europeans of all backgrounds found it acceptable & comfortable to take off their shoes when indoors. They were *white.*

    I am a white new yorker & while I don't mandate taking off your shoes in my home, I wish you did. There is a lot of filth outdoors being dragged indoors & I just don't see the need to keep your feet encased while indoors. More people should find this bizarre.
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  24. i take my shoes off before i get in the door because my feet like that and i'd rather keep the dog crap and other junk from the bottom of my shoes off my floor since i walk around barefoot all the time.
    if you want to visit me you'll do the same.
    it's the same as a smoker going to a non-smokers' house. (i'm not talking about the smoking police, just the folks that don't want smoking in their apartments.)
    if we gave each other a little space we'd all get along better.
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  25. Shoes off/shoes on is an all-or-nothing deal.

    Think about it: if you're used to wearing your shoes indoors, your floor will be covered with dirt from outside, and you will have to wear shoes to protect your feet.

    If you have a no-shoes policy, on the other hand, your floor will be clean and you will not need shoes to walk on it.

    If the homeowner of a shoeless household wants, HERSELF, to be able to go shoeless in her own home, she will have to ask guests to also remove their shoes. This is so that her floor will remain clean enough for her to walk on.

    I'm not OCD, or anything, but I've had this point hammered into me by some Asian friends (as others have said above, it is not just the Japanese who require this).
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  26. I’m getting heartily sick of this new trend of being expected to remove my footwear when I go into someone’s house. And here are my reasons:

    • It’s a pain in the neck taking one’s shoes off and on as you go in and out. What’s wrong with a doormat? Or there is a wonderful new invention called a vacuum cleaner.

    • I don’t find bare feet comfortable, I like the support of shoes because I have tendonitis

    • My feet get cold sitting in socks or stockings

    • I don’t want to carry bedroom slippers around with me everywhere I go

    • Especially do I not want to wear bedroom slippers, if I’m invited to a smart party or dinner and have made an effort to dress up - I might as well come in my pyjamas!

    • In fact I don’t want to remove my shoes in any kind of clothes. I’m small and I can’t afford to lose any inches

    • It wasn’t so long ago in Britain that women who wore bedroom slippers around the house were assumed to be either cleaning ladies or slatterns

    • I have banged my bare feet against furniture several times in people’s houses. I even cracked a toe bone a couple years back and was hobbling around for six weeks as a result

    • I don’t want my trouser bottoms trailing on the ground ready to trip me up either

    • And what’s all this about nasty stuff being brought in from the street - germs, bacteria, dog poo! I’ve never heard of anyone dropping dead by being infected with something from shoes. Do people not realise that their homes are riddled with all kinds of bacteria and dust and dirt will come in when you just open a door or window. Anyone who arriving in wet or muddy boots would offer to take them off anyway, wouldn’t they?

    • I have a friend who thinks it's rude not to take your shoes off as a matter of course when you walk into someone's house. On the contrary, I think it’s discourteous to ask guests remove their shoes. What next? Hair nets and hand sanitisers?

    I’d rather keep my shoes on, thank you, but obviously I will abide by a host’s house rules. So I now carry a pair hospital shoe covers to put on when I enter the homes of the paranoid - those who demand the no shoes policy because they’ve been foolish enough to lay cream carpets or they don’t want their wooden floor, stone flags or concrete blocks sullied by my trainers, however clean and scrubbed they may be. They can hardly object although I’m sure they think my elasticated bright blue bootees look ridiculous. But not, in my view, as ridiculous and demeaning as being forced to wear a pair of furry slippers or flip flops with an evening dress!
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